29 November 2011 Last updated at 10:54 ET
"I don't think anyone realised that anyone was committing a crime at the start," he also told the Leveson Inquiry into media ethics.
Earlier, the Guardian's Nick Davies said the media could not self-regulate.
Leveson Inquiry: Editors 'knew phones were hacked'

Mr McMullan said the News of the World had been "one of the least bad" papers for phone hacking
A former News of the World journalist has said phone hacking was carried out "for our editors" who were aware of it.
Paul McMullan accused ex-NoW editors Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson, who deny knowlege of hacking, of "trying to drop me and my colleagues in it"."I don't think anyone realised that anyone was committing a crime at the start," he also told the Leveson Inquiry into media ethics.
Earlier, the Guardian's Nick Davies said the media could not self-regulate.
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