Anti-'Obamacare' Congressman Doesn't Understand How Health Insurance Works
New Maryland Republican Representative Andy Harris won his seat on a platform of resisting the expansion of "government-run or government-mandated insurance." He also spent Monday demanding to know why he had to wait 28 days for his own government-run insurance.Because the House of Representatives is like a slightly less self-aware version of college, the government holds a series of orientation sessions where they play "Two Truths and a Lie" and learn how to put condoms on. Kidding! They learn important congress stuff like "How to Vote," and the nuts and bolts of things like their health care plans.
Which is where Andy Harris comes in. According to Politico's Glenn Thrush, who talked to an aide who was there, Harris, an anesthesiologist, was apparently pretty ticked that his (government-run) health-care plan wouldn't take effect until February 1, almost a full month after his January 3 swearing-in:
"He stood up and asked the two ladies who were answering questions why it had to take so long, what he would do without 28 days of health care," said a congressional staffer who saw the exchange. The benefits session, held behind closed doors, drew about 250 freshman members, staffers and family members to the Capitol Visitors Center auditorium late Monday morning,".It's hard to know where to start with this one! But, well, how about: Gosh, Dr. Harris, if you're wondering what to do during that 28-day period where you don't have health care, you might turn to one of the 50 million Americans who aren't currently insured. I bet they'd have some tips for you!
"Harris then asked if he could purchase insurance from the government to cover the gap," added the aide, who was struck by the similarity to Harris's request and the public option he denounced as a gateway to socialized medicine.
Or, maybe, Dr. Harris, you could consider that most businesses require employees to wait something like 90 days to provide comprehensive coverage, and 28 days is a pretty sweet deal? Haha, of course you couldn't, since, as you said, "this is the only employer I've ever worked for where you don't get coverage the first day you are employed." You might consider that you're pretty lucky, if that's the case, since these days, if an employer offers health insurance, offering it from the first day is pretty rare!
(Not to mention, dude, if you are desperate, you can just pay for an extension on COBRA to get that month of coverage.)
Because, really, doc, right now, you sound like the world's biggest asshole. And not even because of the hilariously outsized sense of entitlement! (Well, okay, sort of that.) But because you spent your campaign saying things like "In Washington... I will fight to repeal health-care reform," and apparently you have no clue how health insurance works for most Americans.
Why is there a sense of outrage in this reporting? He's a Republican...of course he's a moron. They all are. Do you get mad at your dog for not being able to talk? Reply
@Dingoangst: When that dog gets elected to Congress on a platform of "Bark, bark, bark"... Maybe. Reply
@Dingoangst: You're making yourself look like an idiot. Political parties in the USA have all done a 180' in terms of policy. Reply
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@Borborygm: I'm making myself look like an idiot? Wow, I didn't know you could see me smiling there on Ayers Rock, my avatar.
On a serious note, Republicans now seem to revel in their ignorance. See...Palin, O'Donnell, Bush, Joe Barton, this moron in the article, whomever else.
And what does "Political parties.....have all done a 180 feet..." even mean? Reply
On a serious note, Republicans now seem to revel in their ignorance. See...Palin, O'Donnell, Bush, Joe Barton, this moron in the article, whomever else.
And what does "Political parties.....have all done a 180 feet..." even mean? Reply
Seriously, I hope he breaks his leg during the 28 day gap and gets socked with the $14,000 it costs (on average) to get it treated without insurance.
There's nothing like dealing with free market healthcare to make you appreciate how unaffordable basic healthcare in America has become. Reply
There's nothing like dealing with free market healthcare to make you appreciate how unaffordable basic healthcare in America has become. Reply
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ZOMG. You really can't make this shit up.
Walking the walk on Republican policy: you're doing it wrong. So very, very, wrong. Reply
Walking the walk on Republican policy: you're doing it wrong. So very, very, wrong. Reply
Call me naive but since I haven't come across the 90 day gap in about 8 years I thought it was gone. Maybe it is in California for all I know. However, he could do what I did back in my 20s. Ride it out. I did that for three weeks recently after I quit my job and refused to pay for Cobra. Really, if you can't survive 3 weeks without health insurance you aren't healthy enough to be in Congress. Reply
@JustAGirl: I just started a new job with a company employing fewer than 30 people. My health care kicks in after 90 days. I'm in NC. The 90 day gap definitely isn't gone. Reply
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This is so that the scammy Americans don't get jobs for the free operations and then quit immediately. Reply
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We would love to think that this will somehow open his eyes to the fact that e'one needs healthcare but the asshole is going to turn it into something about government not working. Makes me want to puke. Reply
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@franimaljones: You mean like when Ronald Reagan used to say "government has never created a single job" while he was employed by his state government and later the federal government? Reply
You have to remember, that the GOP live in the world of the classic Eddy Murphy sketch where he dressed up as a white guy to see how white folk acted when there were no blacks around: "Slowly, I began to realize that when white people are alone, they give things to each other for free!" Reply
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Why do I have to pay for any of these anti-government jerk's salaries? I didn't vote for them. I don't want to pay for health care that they don't think is good enough for me, but are perfectly willing to accept themselves. Every time I see a Republican whining about "spending, taxes or socialism," I replace their nonsense opinion in mind with the sound of a babies crying.
John Boehner--" Wahhhhhhhh." Rand Paul-- "Wahhhhhhh." Michelle Bachmann-- "[Crazy] Wahhhhhhhhh."
That's what this party is to me. A bunch of selfish fucking children. Reply
John Boehner--" Wahhhhhhhh." Rand Paul-- "Wahhhhhhh." Michelle Bachmann-- "[Crazy] Wahhhhhhhhh."
That's what this party is to me. A bunch of selfish fucking children. Reply
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@jgeilsandhisband: A bunch of selfish, dumb, fucking children would be a better description. Only a complete moron would think you raise tax revenues by cutting taxes. They've also managed to turn health care into a "socialist" issue, when really it's a matter of economic survival for America that we lower our medical costs. Reply
There is certainly some irony to this situation, but what's more incredible to me is the amount of idiot liberals hanging around here. This congressman may be a dumb ass in certain aspects, but this health care bill your liberal buddies passed is going to be a nightmare. Look at all the groups (unions, mostly) that are getting exempted from the law. If it's so fucking good, make everyone take it. It's just more typical liberal bullshit, just like global warming. See, e.g., liberal, hypocritical blowhard, Al Gore; see also royal dork, Prince Charles. Reply
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@Paul Key: Yeah, the past decade being the warmest in history is probably coincidental.....right. Reply
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@Paul Key: The reason the health care package is "going to be a nightmare" and the reason we arnt going to "make everyone take it" is b/c of republican demands made in order for the bill to be passed. You come off as very idiotic. Reply
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@Paul Key: When Bill Clinton warned about health care costs consuming the economy the costs were $1 out of every $18. Currently the costs are $1 out of every $6, and within the next ten years it will be one out of every $3 dollars. I'd love to hear you explain how the country is going to have one out of every three dollars going to health care, one of every three going to interest payments on the deficit, and yet we can still afford tax cuts for billionaires. See moronic, delusional Republicans: George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, or crazy batshit assholes Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, Rand Paul, etc... Reply
This asshole should man up, stick to some goddamn principles, and buy his own insurance. Let the free market work for him, since he thinks it works fine for everyone else! Reply
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Hey, Doc: It's called the "Hippocratic Oath", not the "hypocritical oath". Obviously, you've taken the wrong one.
(this is too easy.) Reply
(this is too easy.) Reply
I was relieved that the GOP and tea party won the last election because situations like this (and there will be more) would inevitably occur. They can no longer sit on the sidelines second guessing everything that the President and Congress do or do not do, and pretend they are better/smarter than everyone else. Now that they are the government and have to deal with the day-to-day business, all that high falutin' rhetoric will go right out the window. Now that they have realized that a (truly symbolic gesture of a) moratorium on earmarks means that they won't be able to help their own chances for reelection by buying favors for their state/district. Now that the government is their employer, suddenly they demand better coverage than the private sector could provide.
This is the best thing that could have happened for Obama's chances for reelection in 2012.
Welcome to the party muthafukas. Sh*t's complicated, isn't it? Reply
This is the best thing that could have happened for Obama's chances for reelection in 2012.
Welcome to the party muthafukas. Sh*t's complicated, isn't it? Reply
@The Default Attorney: I'm not so sure, as a lot of Tea Party and Republicans are backed (quietly) by banking and insurance interests. I'd say it was probably money well spent. They got their candidates in and they will push for rollbacks on banking regulations and healthcare. Sucks. Reply
@The Default Attorney: As if facts or performance have anything to do with Republican election strategies. Reply
I love these assholes in Congress who denied the public option to millions of Americans while they were were receiving their own excellent govt. issued health insurance. There should be a special place in Hell for all of them. BTW, Senator Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) has refused his govt. health insurance until ALL Americans have access to the same high level, affordable health insurance. In the meantime (which at this rate will be until he qualifies for Medicare) he buys his own high deductible plan. Reply
"I gots mine; all y'all poor, non-bootstrappy government moochers can suck it, bitches! Wait...I don't gots mine? Well what the fuck, government? Where's my tax payer-funded insurance? I want-I want-I waaaaaaaant!" Reply
28 days? 90 days? Try 6 months at some companies!
These assholes used to be funny, with all their ill-informed rhetoric and nut-job ideas, but now that voters actually elected some of them they're just depressing. Reply
These assholes used to be funny, with all their ill-informed rhetoric and nut-job ideas, but now that voters actually elected some of them they're just depressing. Reply
@iheartalex: Try never. I work full time at a hotel in Northern Cali and I have NO HEALTH INSURANCE offered to me. I could sue, but then my boss would hate me and I have to see her face at the grocery store every day. It's okay for me as my husband's insurance covers me, but the minute I find another job, I'm reporting these asswipes to the state of Cali. Reply
@kityglitr: Very true! I realized I forgot to mention that after I posted.
I have to seriously question this guy's credibility if he says he's never had to wait for insurance. Unless he's been self-employed his whole life, there is simply no way it's true... Reply
I have to seriously question this guy's credibility if he says he's never had to wait for insurance. Unless he's been self-employed his whole life, there is simply no way it's true... Reply
@kityglitr: I've literally never had health insurance through my employer. I work in reality tv (don't hate me) and since it's non union, there are zero benefits, never will be. So, yeah, I was a *little* disappointed when the Tea Party nut jobs decided to take that particular issue and run with it. I pay insurance out of my pocket, but after some tough financial times, had to go without it for a year and a half, during which time I had bronchitis, and two broken bones. I couldn't afford time off work or a doctor's visit for either, so I just "toughed it out" which is really stupid and dangerous, but I literally had no other option at the time.
Anyway, everything's fine now and I've got reasonable health care that I can relatively afford, but I shudder to think about people who were in my situation and had worse health problems befall them.
And this guy? This guy I want to punch in the face. Reply
Anyway, everything's fine now and I've got reasonable health care that I can relatively afford, but I shudder to think about people who were in my situation and had worse health problems befall them.
And this guy? This guy I want to punch in the face. Reply
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@iheartalex: I'm sure he was self-employed or worked for a group practice. Either way, his insurance would kick in day one. Also, it starts on your first day of employment at academic health care centers. Reply
@claara: @claara thanks for letting me know reality tv STILL doesn't offer benefits. I don't do any talent work. I'm what would be called a "suit" or a studio office worker. When I was straight out of college I applied at a fledgling reality TV prod co for an office job. No insurance. Forward 10 years later, I started job hunting, they called me for a higher up office job. For some reason there about the company's name that tweeked my memory in a bad way. I did a drive by and remembered - they offered me an entry-level gofer job with no insurance. Reply
There is an epidemic in this fair nation. An easily preventable and in fact easily curable disease is claiming one American life after another. That disease, my fellow Americans, is douchebaggery.
The symptoms are easy to identify, at least by outside observers. The first sign is an increased sense of entitlement, usually brought on by a lack of world perspective or some modicum of success. At this stage the disease can be treated with almost a 100% rate of effectiveness, BUT the patient's own lack of self-awareness makes it unlikely that they will realize the problem and seek treatment. To make matters worse, sufferers of douchebaggery often congregate in closed circles where they are even less likely to realize the disease is beginning to ravage their bodies and minds.
In the advanced stages of douchebaggery the victim becomes so bloated with self-importance and delusion that his organs fail. Andy Harris probably has 6 months to live at most. In the meantime he must be quarantined, far away from the microphones, TV cameras, and legal rights of the non-affected.
If you believe that someone you know is infected with douchebaggery, let them know before it's too late. Simply walk up to the infected party and say to them, "you're really being a douche right now". Reply
The symptoms are easy to identify, at least by outside observers. The first sign is an increased sense of entitlement, usually brought on by a lack of world perspective or some modicum of success. At this stage the disease can be treated with almost a 100% rate of effectiveness, BUT the patient's own lack of self-awareness makes it unlikely that they will realize the problem and seek treatment. To make matters worse, sufferers of douchebaggery often congregate in closed circles where they are even less likely to realize the disease is beginning to ravage their bodies and minds.
In the advanced stages of douchebaggery the victim becomes so bloated with self-importance and delusion that his organs fail. Andy Harris probably has 6 months to live at most. In the meantime he must be quarantined, far away from the microphones, TV cameras, and legal rights of the non-affected.
If you believe that someone you know is infected with douchebaggery, let them know before it's too late. Simply walk up to the infected party and say to them, "you're really being a douche right now". Reply
@heyitsalexp: In the advanced stages of douchebaggery the victim becomes so bloated with self-importance and delusion that his organs fail. Andy Harris probably has 6 months to live at most. In the meantime he must be quarantined, far away from the microphones, TV cameras, and legal rights of the non-affected...
Actually, I'd prescribe just the opposite: I'd have as many microphones and TV cameras around him as possible to record his zaniness so that the rest of us can learn to recognize the signs of acute terminal douchbaggery. Reply
Actually, I'd prescribe just the opposite: I'd have as many microphones and TV cameras around him as possible to record his zaniness so that the rest of us can learn to recognize the signs of acute terminal douchbaggery. Reply
I was about to question how a medical professional could be so bewildered by health insurance, but then I remembered it's up to the lower tier people like my mother, a nurse case manager, to deal with insurance companies and not doctors. Boohoo, Harris. Reply
fuck this guy. fuck this asshole. fuck you.
ps - if you really want him to understand your frustration, please write or call his office. Congressmen are totally tone deaf and this is the only way to get them to pay attention. Snail mail works wonders. Reply
ps - if you really want him to understand your frustration, please write or call his office. Congressmen are totally tone deaf and this is the only way to get them to pay attention. Snail mail works wonders. Reply
@ibwilliamsi: Huh. I always thought that the Republicrats -- or is is the Demopublicans -- were all Marie Antoinette. Reply
Honestly, I don't really understand why insurance wouldn't kick in on the first day for congressmen either. The "90 day" period or whatever for salaried employees is kind of a probationary period - private employers don't want to start paying benefits for you until they're pretty sure you're going to stay there. But it's pretty unlikely that a newly-elected congressman is going to quit within 28 days, so I highly doubt that's why they don't start coverage on day 1. What is the reasoning for this? Reply
@badasscat: Paperwork, it takes a bit of time to add you to the rolls.
And when my husband first went to work for the federal government in the 1980's it was a full year before we got insurance, 28 days, come on that is nothing. Reply
And when my husband first went to work for the federal government in the 1980's it was a full year before we got insurance, 28 days, come on that is nothing. Reply
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@badasscat: No, the regular dates for open season in the federal Nov 1 - Dec 31st of every year. Our Insurance Cards state we are covered from Feb 1 xxyy - Feb 1, xxxx, his insurance date kick in is Feb 1. Just like all federal employees. He can suck it up though, I can't sympathize with a douche who demands his while attempting to deny others, (poor people) of any kind of access to adequate health care. Reply
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@badasscat: Yeah, they can. I've always been fortunate to work at places that covered me the first day and that's what they did. We often didn't get our cards for a month, but we had our group nos and were covered. Reply
@angryliberal0: I'm not sympathizing, I'm asking what I think is a pretty legitimate question as to why the government would delay coverage to an elected official, when plenty of private companies do provide coverage from date of hire, even if it needs to be retroactive once the paperwork is filed. I don't really care if the person in question is a Republican or a Democrat. As we always say, health care is a nonpartisan issue, and you don't get to pick and choose who should be covered based on their political party.
Unless you're arguing that elected officials and other government employees just shouldn't get coverage at all until all the poor people are covered, but that's not what you're saying, is it?
If the government's going to provide coverage, they could at least do it properly. Reply
Unless you're arguing that elected officials and other government employees just shouldn't get coverage at all until all the poor people are covered, but that's not what you're saying, is it?
If the government's going to provide coverage, they could at least do it properly. Reply
@badasscat: I am covered by FEHB, I am telling you that open season sign up season is Nov 1 - Dec 31st, and coverage begins Feb 1st, always. Hey man, this guy gets 28 days, we had to wait one full year for coverage. He is pretty damn lucky, and this is exactly why COBRA was created, so you can be covered fully, until your next coverage picks up. It just the law, as written, we call it ERISA. Reply
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@angryliberal0: so you don't just get added to last years like the private sector does?
Example: At the company I worked for, for the past 4 years - open enrollment is October 1-31. That is when you pick what you want for the following year. Those choices kick in for the latest enrollment on January 1, 2011 and end December 31, 2011 but if they hire you on December 1, 201o you get to fill out the little forms twice (once for 2010 and once for 2011) and are covered immediately. Reply
Example: At the company I worked for, for the past 4 years - open enrollment is October 1-31. That is when you pick what you want for the following year. Those choices kick in for the latest enrollment on January 1, 2011 and end December 31, 2011 but if they hire you on December 1, 201o you get to fill out the little forms twice (once for 2010 and once for 2011) and are covered immediately. Reply
@angryliberal0: I'm glad I don't work for the government and as I job hunt I will stick to large corporations. Reply
This motherfucker - is my new congressman. Asshole! You shouldn't even ACCEPT health insurance after running on that platform.
Yes, I'm bitter. Reply
Yes, I'm bitter. Reply
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@Haikukitty: Hey neighbor, I'm in Easton, one of the regions that voted heavily for this pantsload. Harris is brutal, this is probably one of the many national gaffes he's going to make. Reply
@jasonelias: Well, what do you expect from the shit house side of Maryland?
*ducks*
Honestly, though, sorry about that. Maryland politics is one of the reasons I fled to the west coast and never looked back. Reply
*ducks*
Honestly, though, sorry about that. Maryland politics is one of the reasons I fled to the west coast and never looked back. Reply
@TWSS: You're lucky, I wish I could get out. I always knew the Eastern Shore was stupid but I didn't imagine they'd fall for a total moron like Harris. Reply
@jasonelias: I'm in Millersville - I'm in that poor little pocket across the bay that gets lumped in with the Eastern Shore - no offense to you, but the politics over there - good lord! - didn't they get the memo this is a blue state? Reply
@jasonelias: I know! I really thought Kratovic might win. But hasn't the district pretty consistently gone Republican except for 2008? Reply
@Haikukitty: Heh, no offense taken. You know I was hoping Frank would win but I heard something to the effect that the area itself was redistricted to help Dutch Rupersberger?? In short, the crazies from the Shore were out in full force.
I'm willing to bet Harris didn't do well in the more sane MD areas.
One good thing? Bob Ehrlich didn't win and it wasn't even close. Reply
I'm willing to bet Harris didn't do well in the more sane MD areas.
One good thing? Bob Ehrlich didn't win and it wasn't even close. Reply
@LostBedStuy: OK. My idea was just to go throw trash on his lawn like an angry old lady or something. But I like your idea better!
After all, Congressional employees DO get taxpayer-funded insurance, right?
p.s. How does one go about starting a campaign? Can't I just get 4Chan to do it for me? Reply
After all, Congressional employees DO get taxpayer-funded insurance, right?
p.s. How does one go about starting a campaign? Can't I just get 4Chan to do it for me? Reply
@jasonelias: Yes, that WAS the one good thing. Interesting - I could have sworn I used to have Dutch, but then I thought maybe I was confused and was thinking of a previous residence. Reply
@Haikukitty: Go to DailyKos or ActBlue; respond or start a diary. You will get people, many on your area, to help you.
For serious. Reply
For serious. Reply
@LostBedStuy: Unfortunately, you have to wait a week to post a diary, I think only a day, though, to post comments. I can't remember if I ever registered there or not.
But I'm on it.
Thanks for the servicey info! :)
Seriously. Reply
But I'm on it.
Thanks for the servicey info! :)
Seriously. Reply
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